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Post by cutter on Oct 9, 2017 17:01:18 GMT -6
pancake mixes (and other mixes) are convenience items, no need to keep yeast, baking soda, baking powder, or self rising or plain flour or buckwheat flour, etc. - it's a no think breakfast showing that the person is putting care into it instead of just a box of frozen premade pancakes or waffles (marketing and commercialism) they are going to the trouble of "making breakfast by mixing up the batter from the mix - the idea that even a busy family can make "homemade" I can understand the confusion. We live in a convenience world today, but with a few individuals who don't quite give in to that convenience. Premade is fine when somebody's in a hurry. Stacy's mind is working overtime on a very different wavelength. She went from a neglectful and abusive home life to a home and family that is an extreme opposite. She and her brothers went from parents who couldn't care less, through a foster care system that did manage to care less than her birth parents, to a family who can't care enough and won't stop until they do. It isn't the ingredients, it's the act that matters to Stacy. Additionally, she went from a child who was shown nothing uplifting, taught nothing, given little but neglect; to a young woman who has suddenly been given everything she has ever longed for in a family, and a few things she never dared to imagine. When Erin, her foster mother at the time, began teaching her how to cook, it was the first time a mother figure had ever been "motherly" to her. She discovered a passion for cooking. She loves both the art, and the act of love it allows her to give to her family. She's a formerly really messed up kid who abruptly found her path in life. As far as the real world, mixing from scratch isn't that much more work, but it's perceived as much more work and mess by most. I don't know about across the pond, but here, Bisquik brand makes a premix in a bottle. Add water to the line, shake, and pour. Pancakes in five minutes with nothing to wash but the plate, fork and skillet. It's actually a really good product for a prepper's shelves because it keeps for a long time without refrigeration until the seal is broken and it's mixed with water
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Post by papaof2 on Oct 9, 2017 17:06:05 GMT -6
Pancake mix is for those times someone says "I don't want anything that's here. Let's have breakfast instead." I know there's shrimp ande probably a pork loin in the freezer but I can make pancakes, eat them and wash dishes faster then the pork loin will thaw. I might take it out to thaw for tomorrow ;-)
The secret to frying pancakes is having the skillet or griddle at the right temperature (I prefer a griddle large enough for 4 or 5 decent size pancakes). I consider 350F (water droplets sizzle and dance) as the optimum temperature.
If cooking for more than one person, have an oven on at it's lowest temperature (180F or so) and put the pancakes on a plate/pan that is oven safe to keep them warm while cooking the remaining pancakes.
I prefer real maple syrup (Grade B, because it's darker and has more flavor). Heat the container if there are many people. Pour the syrup over the stack of pancakes and give it 15 seconds in a microwave oven to have syrup and pancakes both hot.
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Post by cutter on Oct 9, 2017 18:06:19 GMT -6
Now see, I like to serve 'em as I make 'em. I end up eating last, but that's ok. I always got a kick out of watching the kids trying to eat them as fast as I could make them. I learned quick that silver doller pancakes are a bad idea for that competition.
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Post by papaof2 on Oct 9, 2017 18:56:58 GMT -6
Silver dollar pancakes are a special treat and can only be made with the last bits of batter (because the batter pitcher pours too fast when it's full). First kids stuff their faces, then they can have the little pancakes - which they always have room for ;-)
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Post by freebirde on Oct 9, 2017 19:02:25 GMT -6
For a different, hearty pancake, make a cornbread batter of the consistency of pancake batter. Cook like you would a flour pancake. Regular pancake syrup may be a little weak for these, use a quality sorghum syrup if you have some. Warning: no matter how much butter you put on it, part of you will want to put more on. Since it is more savory than flour pancakes, you can add pieces of cooked ham or bacon to the batter before cooking.
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Post by headlesshorseman on Oct 9, 2017 19:04:47 GMT -6
If you have access to fresh eggs and fresh buttermilk you can easily tell the difference. Freshly ground flour is a real treat with pancakes. They work wonders keeping mixes fresh but they are not perfect.
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Post by headlesshorseman on Oct 9, 2017 19:11:43 GMT -6
double post
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Post by cutter on Oct 9, 2017 19:30:33 GMT -6
What is it with preppers and food? Our idea of a well stocked pantry would put the average Mormon to shame, and they're serious about their pantry! They talk about a food supply in terms of years; we talk in terms of decades.
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Post by papaof2 on Oct 9, 2017 20:57:11 GMT -6
While I have foods that will last decades, I don't yet have that much stock. It's somewhat easier now that we have temperature controlled space that can be used for storage. I add to the stocks regularly, so will have more and more over time. How much more? Unless you've received a coded invitation to stay, you don't need to know. By the way, are you bringing a truckload, a trailer load or both? (How many scavenger stories have you read where someone finds a grocery or Walmart truck? Have you checked out the videos on youtube to learn how to shift a 10, 13, 15 or 18 speed transmission? I'd sacrifice some of my heating/lighting kerosene to get a truck running to move a trailer of food and clothing.)
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Post by cutter on Oct 9, 2017 21:25:25 GMT -6
I'm rusty, but I actually can handle a 15 speed. Shoot, these days, a lot of the rigs are going to automatics. My wife's a bus driver and the only manual transmissions in the fleet are the short buses. I think the scavenger stories are overly optimistic about the chances of finding intact grocery trucks. I think the Walmart trucks would either be a treasure trove or a huge disappointment, but not much in the way of food. Be my luck to find a 52' trailer full of Made in China Christmas decorations. I still maintain the best place to store food is in the fields and on the hoof. That doesn't mean that I'm not trying hard (and unsuccessfully) to put back enough to be able to snack for a very long while.
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Post by headlesshorseman on Oct 9, 2017 21:39:08 GMT -6
A ten speed is the most I have ever driven. I am a chemist not a truck driver. I do know how to make priming compound with a solar panel and salt water.
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Post by papaof2 on Oct 9, 2017 21:53:47 GMT -6
A walmart truck from the distribution center to a local store or stores might be a treasure trove because of the variety of things it could be carrying, from truck tires to disposable diapers to can openers to dog food. Or you might luck up and find a trailer with 10w30 oil, powdered milk, toilet paper, hand soap, laundry detergent, batteries from AA to Group 31, flour, corn meal, tools, dried beans, cooking oil, canned corn, and filters for a Brita pitcher. A truck headed between distribution centers is likely to be packed with less variety - but 53 feet of toilet paper packages might make you the richest person in the County ;-)
I think my first place to check for a delivery truck would be parked behind the nearest Kroger, Pubbix or Aldi. And, yes, I know how far away each one is.
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Post by crice118 on Oct 10, 2017 8:30:46 GMT -6
just wondering, if you (anyone you) were to find one of these mythical loaded (partly loaded or fully loaded) how would you quickly put up a storage area for protection against wet, cold, heat and prying eyes without having a stock of building supplies or empty storage on hand? would any use buried appliances or dig holes with straw for insulation and tarp for protection with water channels to lead the water away, with zoning even digging a hole might require a permit depending on how it is dug and built
so if it is dug and filled in (not saying with what) is it still a hole that needs a permit to build?
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Post by cutter on Oct 10, 2017 11:58:48 GMT -6
What they don’t know can’t hurt you. What they find out could be fatal.
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Post by papaof2 on Oct 10, 2017 12:08:16 GMT -6
just wondering, if you (anyone you) were to find one of these mythical loaded (partly loaded or fully loaded) how would you quickly put up a storage area for protection against wet, cold, heat and prying eyes without having a stock of building supplies or empty storage on hand? would any use buried appliances or dig holes with straw for insulation and tarp for protection with water channels to lead the water away, with zoning even digging a hole might require a permit depending on how it is dug and built
so if it is dug and filled in (not saying with what) is it still a hole that needs a permit to build?
Back my truck out of the garage and back the trailer up to the door. Tell the neighbors one of my kids is in the military and being transferred so she called in a favor and got the use of the truck to move her furnishings home while she's out of the country. Semi-plausible as most people around us don't know where our kids are or what they do so just enough truth to make the story palatable.
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Post by garethn on Oct 10, 2017 14:07:04 GMT -6
Silver dollar pancakes are a special treat and can only be made with the last bits of batter (because the batter pitcher pours too fast when it's full). First kids stuff their faces, then they can have the little pancakes - which they always have room for ;-) Our doggy girl always got he last mini pancake... and she always knew when to had to come and hang around in case I might forget!
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Post by headlesshorseman on Oct 10, 2017 17:01:52 GMT -6
I can't see me living somewhere that required a permit for a hole. I didn't need one for my barn or my house.
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Post by crice118 on Oct 10, 2017 17:46:30 GMT -6
wish I didn't either but planning and zoning hauls you into court and fines the daylight out if they don't like what you do on your property and no I'm not in town, I'm 13 miles out in the county, agriculture 1 rural residential where I was told I could not stay in a tent or my recreational vehicle without a septic system in first (costs $6000) and no can't have an outhouse/composting outside toilet as they say they are illegal
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Post by biggkidd on Oct 10, 2017 17:53:18 GMT -6
wish I didn't either but planning and zoning hauls you into court and fines the daylight out if they don't like what you do on your property and no I'm not in town, I'm 13 miles out in the county, agriculture 1 rural residential where I was told I could not stay in a tent or my recreational vehicle without a septic system in first (costs $6000) and no can't have an outhouse/composting outside toilet as they say they are illegal Sounds like you might want to move to a friendlier county and or state. I've been off grid without permits for near ten years, will be 10 years in January. Yes they know I do things back here but they don't want to have to maintain my road so they leave me alone... 2 miles to pavement, power lines or neighbors
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Post by kaijafon on Oct 10, 2017 18:02:15 GMT -6
Brian, Morgan, Todd, Sarah, and Mark are on an eleven hour road trip to Washington, D.C.; Erin's on the way to the hospital, and all you can think about are pancakes? BTW, what did your students ever say about the frog thing? We JUST started ecology and so I'm going to work it into a food chain this week. Will report back!
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Post by papaof2 on Oct 10, 2017 18:27:15 GMT -6
Food chain? To keep people from stealing the vegetables and pigs? Or something you eat that needs a hacksaw and a welder to prepare?
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Post by crice118 on Oct 10, 2017 19:22:28 GMT -6
I wish, you have my dream. Since lower income who had 3 boys single parent on foodstamps until graduated college, it took me 41 years to finally get a piece of land I could have somewhat free and clear, grateful to have it just hate senseless regulations
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Post by biggkidd on Oct 10, 2017 20:49:29 GMT -6
You have no idea. But I am 46 and a single father. I was diagnosed with MS in 05 and they told me I wouldn't live to see 06. Yet here I am... I've had years where I was unable to work at all and a few where I was able to work pretty good. But since I can't hardly rely on myself I sure can't ask others to. So I have to make my own work in one form or another. The main reason we moved here in 08 is because I KNOW I can manage the tiny mortgage payments here where there was NO WAY I could continue paying 3 times as much for the house in town. Our land payment is less than most economy car payments. I drive 20 and 30 year old vehicles that I buy cheap and fix. Occasionally I make a few bucks after driving them a while. We live in a small house we built with very little power or creature comforts. Yet we do have heat, ac, hot water etc. (all self supplied) just don't use a microwave or hair drier or toaster oven. We even have a big tv that hasn't been turned on this year to the best of my memory, even though the antenna will pull in 54 channels IIRC. We do spend a lot of time on the net though.
Feel free to PM if you'd like to continue this discussion but we should quit derailing Cutter's excellent story.
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Post by papaof2 on Oct 10, 2017 21:13:26 GMT -6
You have no idea. But I am 46 and a single father. I was diagnosed with MS in 05 and they told me I wouldn't live to see 06. Yet here I am... I've had years where I was unable to work at all and a few where I was able to work pretty good. But since I can't hardly rely on myself I sure can't ask others to. So I have to make my own work in one form or another. The main reason we moved here in 08 is because I KNOW I can manage the tiny mortgage payments here where there was NO WAY I could continue paying 3 times as much for the house in town. Our land payment is less than most economy car payments. I drive 20 and 30 year old vehicles that I buy cheap and fix. Occasionally I make a few bucks after driving them a while. We live in a small house we built with very little power or creature comforts. Yet we do have heat, ac, hot water etc. (all self supplied) just don't use a microwave or hair drier or toaster oven. We even have a big tv that hasn't been turned on this year to the best of my memory, even though the antenna will pull in 54 channels IIRC. We do spend a lot of time on the net though. Feel free to PM if you'd like to continue this discussion but we should quit derailing Cutter's excellent story. Y'all start a new thread about living simply and frugally. You obviously do it successfully so maybe the rest of us can learn from you.
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Post by cutter on Oct 10, 2017 21:26:53 GMT -6
I'm with Papa on this one. I'll get my story back on the tracks, don't worry. You folks are offering a treasure trove of real world knowledge that could make a huge, huge difference in somebody's life, maybe even mine. A new thread would work better to put it all in one place, but knowledge is always welcome, wherever we can find it. Camp out in my writing world anytime.
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