Post by rvm45 on Feb 1, 2012 2:10:23 GMT -6
Remember how I said that I'd come back to this topic awhile back.
First of all.....
Many of my characters are based on life.
Also, when I'm in the Beginning stages, I like to put myself into the story to imagine what I might do, How I might React, etc.
Well, talking about this Plot, I'm going to bring in some reality--hopefully no one will get confused.
First A Wild Stray Idea:
Imagine a typical Survivalist type protagonist--not a former Green Beret or Navy SEAL--But with very good skills and physical condition.
Now Imagine that he ends up in the middle of the Desert, unarmed, very sketchily equipped, and being relentlessly hunted by several armed, hard core, Homicidal Type Dudes.
You decide why. They're into "Hunting Humans"; He owes them money; he stumbled on a huge drug transaction.....whatever.
After using only a few Clever traps and ruses, and after suffering intensely but rather briefly.....
He accidentally finds a very old, very well equipped Bunker.
That's why I picked the Desert. Weapons stored for a very long time most places, might very well have rusted away.
How Old? Well if they were muzzle-loading firearms, it would be highly unlikely that any Components would still be good--even in the Dry Desert Air.
The Colt Peacemaker was Patented in 1872 or '73.
I think that the .44-40 Winchesters came out about the same time.
Lets say that our Early Preppers may have started scouting for a good cave, Fixing the cave up, and getting organized shortly after the War of Northern Aggression-- about 1865--but they didn't really get serious about Ammo Acquisition until about 1880.
The Smith and Wesson .44 Special came out in 1907 and the S&W New Century Revolver came out in 1908.
Colts were never very common in .44 S&W Special.....Don't know when the first ones were manufactured--but that's no problem. Assume that our Preppers were well financed.
They might have special ordered a fairly large consignment of .44 Special Peacemakers, and the record was subsequently lost.....
Or they might have had them converted after the fact, by a local Gunsmith--who might also have been a member.
I just want some .44 Special Peacemakers in my story.
I think the Broomhandle Mauser was Patented about 1893. Let's say that there are a few stored in the cave--but none of our Preppers were particularly impressed by them.
If they were still active in the 20's--Why are there no neat things like 1911A1 Colt .45 Autos, .38 Supers and 1928 Thompsons stashed in the Cave?
I like 1911A1s and Tommy Guns--but not for this story.
We can imagine a few Old men hanging on into the '30s--but not much later.
What was their Rationale for Prepping? And what was their guiding philosophy?
Were it real--they might very well left enough clues behind for someone to piece it together--but maybe not. We Might not ever know.
Why did the die out?
Once again, when you Write the story, you figure it out.
Here are some topics for research:
What would have been the best state of the art Long-Term Storage techniques in the early 1900s?
How long could the best kept of the old ammo have lasted--and what would have been the best long term storage technique?
How would you store Ivory, Horn, Stag, Bone and Mother of Pearl grips for the long haul? Perhaps in Lanolin?
Cosmoline--or Primitive Equivalent--Might have Rocked for Metal--but what about Wood Stocks?
Our dudes cached plenty of Lanterns and Coil Oil (Actually, its spelled "Coal Oil", but pronounced "Coil Oil". Some folks have only read the term, and may not be aware of that fact.)
Plenty of Candles, Hatchets and Bowie Knives too.
Most foods Spoil--but a few can last almost indefinitely, under ideal circumstances: Honey, Salt, Sugar.....Probably well-sealed Coffee, Pemmican and Jerky-Jerky, Hard Cured Hams, Salted Cod, Salt Pork.....Hardtack Biscuits.
So our Hero takes a wildly unlikely tumble down a very hard to spot "Rabbit Hole".
There is very little chance of being discovered anytime soon--still, depending on how determined your searchers are--and if they keep poking around interminably.....?
So our Dude goes into a the "Rabbit Hole" armed only with an improvised Sling, a sharp shard of flint, and a sharpened stick.
After finding the Lanterns and Coil Oil, he finds Guns--though its up to him to reassemble them, and test out the old ammo.
(Of Course there's a small target range--what kind of "Punch and Judy" Show do you think this is?)
He dines on Hardtack and Honey, along with some Jerky-Jerky, some very old and strong Coffee, and some 100+year old Scotch.
He arms himself with a nice pair of .44 Special Colt Peacemakers with Stag Grips, and backs them up with a Pair of Pearl-Handled, .32 Caliber H&R Topbreaks, straps on a hand forged Confederate Bowie with a 13" Blade, and a Green River Skinning Knife.
He picks up a 1903 .30-06 Springfield Rifle, a compass, and a trio of Metal Canteens.....
And now the tables are turned.
What about After the Fight?
Do you all realize what Mint-Condition Colt Peacemakers, perhaps with their original Colt Shipping Papers might be worth? Genuine Period .44 S&W .44 Special Colt Peacemakers With Period Ivory Grips?
Quite possibly, they might be worth more than Gold, on a pound for pound basis.
How many of you would get a Pick-Up and start hauling out priceless collector's guns by the Ton?
Just might depress the Market. Someone might try to claim your treasures. The Government might confiscate them.....
Besides--a very large, well built, Enlarged and, improved Cave Retreat--particularly a Top-Secret-Cave-Retreat would be a very happy-making thing.
I mean, in that dry Desert Climate, much of the Hand-Built Furniture might still be quite usable.....
Quite possibly it was made by hand, by master craftsmen, working right there in the cave--and maybe their woodworking tools are still there--packed in Cosmoline.
I'd sell off a very few of the Guns--the ones that I could get the best Premiums for.....
And I'd install modern reloading equipment. Case after case of new ammo and components--and a few well-chosen Modern Firearms.
Batteries, generators, grow lights, LED Strips, a few thousand books, a free-standing Computer System, a well equipped Gym.....
Big screen TV--Home Theatre System--Chemistry Lab, Workshop.....
25 Or 30 Year's worth of"Best Quality" Long Term Storage Food--for fifty, or a hundred people.....
I'd try to buy the land the entrance sat on.....
And I might sit around inside, all by myself, for the next five to ten years--just enjoying my Guns, My super-neat retreat, and the solitude.
Couldn't make much of a story about that though.....
No Conflict.
I don't really know the Desert well enough, nor do I know any of the Desert States well enough to set a story there.
So anyone who wants to use this Idea, be my Guest.
Went way long.
I'll come back to the subject of Multi-Generational Retreats tomorrow--or the next day.
.....RVM45
First of all.....
Many of my characters are based on life.
Also, when I'm in the Beginning stages, I like to put myself into the story to imagine what I might do, How I might React, etc.
Well, talking about this Plot, I'm going to bring in some reality--hopefully no one will get confused.
First A Wild Stray Idea:
Imagine a typical Survivalist type protagonist--not a former Green Beret or Navy SEAL--But with very good skills and physical condition.
Now Imagine that he ends up in the middle of the Desert, unarmed, very sketchily equipped, and being relentlessly hunted by several armed, hard core, Homicidal Type Dudes.
You decide why. They're into "Hunting Humans"; He owes them money; he stumbled on a huge drug transaction.....whatever.
After using only a few Clever traps and ruses, and after suffering intensely but rather briefly.....
He accidentally finds a very old, very well equipped Bunker.
That's why I picked the Desert. Weapons stored for a very long time most places, might very well have rusted away.
How Old? Well if they were muzzle-loading firearms, it would be highly unlikely that any Components would still be good--even in the Dry Desert Air.
The Colt Peacemaker was Patented in 1872 or '73.
I think that the .44-40 Winchesters came out about the same time.
Lets say that our Early Preppers may have started scouting for a good cave, Fixing the cave up, and getting organized shortly after the War of Northern Aggression-- about 1865--but they didn't really get serious about Ammo Acquisition until about 1880.
The Smith and Wesson .44 Special came out in 1907 and the S&W New Century Revolver came out in 1908.
Colts were never very common in .44 S&W Special.....Don't know when the first ones were manufactured--but that's no problem. Assume that our Preppers were well financed.
They might have special ordered a fairly large consignment of .44 Special Peacemakers, and the record was subsequently lost.....
Or they might have had them converted after the fact, by a local Gunsmith--who might also have been a member.
I just want some .44 Special Peacemakers in my story.
I think the Broomhandle Mauser was Patented about 1893. Let's say that there are a few stored in the cave--but none of our Preppers were particularly impressed by them.
If they were still active in the 20's--Why are there no neat things like 1911A1 Colt .45 Autos, .38 Supers and 1928 Thompsons stashed in the Cave?
I like 1911A1s and Tommy Guns--but not for this story.
We can imagine a few Old men hanging on into the '30s--but not much later.
What was their Rationale for Prepping? And what was their guiding philosophy?
Were it real--they might very well left enough clues behind for someone to piece it together--but maybe not. We Might not ever know.
Why did the die out?
Once again, when you Write the story, you figure it out.
Here are some topics for research:
What would have been the best state of the art Long-Term Storage techniques in the early 1900s?
How long could the best kept of the old ammo have lasted--and what would have been the best long term storage technique?
How would you store Ivory, Horn, Stag, Bone and Mother of Pearl grips for the long haul? Perhaps in Lanolin?
Cosmoline--or Primitive Equivalent--Might have Rocked for Metal--but what about Wood Stocks?
Our dudes cached plenty of Lanterns and Coil Oil (Actually, its spelled "Coal Oil", but pronounced "Coil Oil". Some folks have only read the term, and may not be aware of that fact.)
Plenty of Candles, Hatchets and Bowie Knives too.
Most foods Spoil--but a few can last almost indefinitely, under ideal circumstances: Honey, Salt, Sugar.....Probably well-sealed Coffee, Pemmican and Jerky-Jerky, Hard Cured Hams, Salted Cod, Salt Pork.....Hardtack Biscuits.
So our Hero takes a wildly unlikely tumble down a very hard to spot "Rabbit Hole".
There is very little chance of being discovered anytime soon--still, depending on how determined your searchers are--and if they keep poking around interminably.....?
So our Dude goes into a the "Rabbit Hole" armed only with an improvised Sling, a sharp shard of flint, and a sharpened stick.
After finding the Lanterns and Coil Oil, he finds Guns--though its up to him to reassemble them, and test out the old ammo.
(Of Course there's a small target range--what kind of "Punch and Judy" Show do you think this is?)
He dines on Hardtack and Honey, along with some Jerky-Jerky, some very old and strong Coffee, and some 100+year old Scotch.
He arms himself with a nice pair of .44 Special Colt Peacemakers with Stag Grips, and backs them up with a Pair of Pearl-Handled, .32 Caliber H&R Topbreaks, straps on a hand forged Confederate Bowie with a 13" Blade, and a Green River Skinning Knife.
He picks up a 1903 .30-06 Springfield Rifle, a compass, and a trio of Metal Canteens.....
And now the tables are turned.
What about After the Fight?
Do you all realize what Mint-Condition Colt Peacemakers, perhaps with their original Colt Shipping Papers might be worth? Genuine Period .44 S&W .44 Special Colt Peacemakers With Period Ivory Grips?
Quite possibly, they might be worth more than Gold, on a pound for pound basis.
How many of you would get a Pick-Up and start hauling out priceless collector's guns by the Ton?
Just might depress the Market. Someone might try to claim your treasures. The Government might confiscate them.....
Besides--a very large, well built, Enlarged and, improved Cave Retreat--particularly a Top-Secret-Cave-Retreat would be a very happy-making thing.
I mean, in that dry Desert Climate, much of the Hand-Built Furniture might still be quite usable.....
Quite possibly it was made by hand, by master craftsmen, working right there in the cave--and maybe their woodworking tools are still there--packed in Cosmoline.
I'd sell off a very few of the Guns--the ones that I could get the best Premiums for.....
And I'd install modern reloading equipment. Case after case of new ammo and components--and a few well-chosen Modern Firearms.
Batteries, generators, grow lights, LED Strips, a few thousand books, a free-standing Computer System, a well equipped Gym.....
Big screen TV--Home Theatre System--Chemistry Lab, Workshop.....
25 Or 30 Year's worth of"Best Quality" Long Term Storage Food--for fifty, or a hundred people.....
I'd try to buy the land the entrance sat on.....
And I might sit around inside, all by myself, for the next five to ten years--just enjoying my Guns, My super-neat retreat, and the solitude.
Couldn't make much of a story about that though.....
No Conflict.
I don't really know the Desert well enough, nor do I know any of the Desert States well enough to set a story there.
So anyone who wants to use this Idea, be my Guest.
Went way long.
I'll come back to the subject of Multi-Generational Retreats tomorrow--or the next day.
.....RVM45