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Post by 9idrr on Aug 19, 2019 18:34:01 GMT -6
Don't stop now.
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Post by willc453 on Aug 20, 2019 10:52:35 GMT -6
Course not...already reading 3 stories I started awhile back that are several pages each. Hopefully, can post something within a week....or three. I know (more or less) what set these people off, but making what they do as realistic as possible. Along with another chapter on The Shadow.
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Post by texican on Aug 20, 2019 12:04:51 GMT -6
Hopefully, can post something within a week....or three. WillC, you still have that optimistic outlook on life.... Texican....
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Post by willc453 on Aug 20, 2019 13:54:00 GMT -6
Well, 1 is about a girl joining the Army as a linguist and going to the sandbox which may/may not end well for her there. The rest of the story is after she returns to the states. Next is a guy whose brother & SIL are killed by a SWAT team in a early morning, no call, drug bust...including NOT having a search warrant for this. Another is how I think things may of turned out when the Oregon governor ordered the capture of Republicans who wouldn't return to cast their votes on bills pushed by the Demorats. Another is a woman's perspective ala Death Wish. And the boys are checking into costs of buying space suits. There's at least 6 Affected stories of different abilities to write up and kind of up in the air about which one to go for...the guy who can not only turn invisible, but make things invisible. Imagine the reaction of women on the street suddenly being stared at, whistled and woofed at by men, with the women suddenly realizing they're "naked", though technically they're still wearing clothes? Imagine politicians suddenly finding out that they as the emperor, have no clothes on? Or that some of the male officials like wearing women nylons and panties under their clothes? Or the rich and famous such as actresses suddenly "naked"? The other is a guy who's now like a satyr sexually with women being attracted to him...and it don't matter if the women are rich or poor. He's got what they CRAVE. Been working on/off on my Men In Black story and there's still The Hoarders and Forgotten Hero's stories to do. The Pinocchio and Sleeping Beauty stories are coming along very nicely. And been mulling over doing one on The Beauty and The Beast.....rich horny man, poor girl.
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Post by texican on Aug 20, 2019 19:35:40 GMT -6
Been working on/off on my Men In Black story and there's still The Hoarders and Forgotten Hero's stories to do. The Pinocchio and Sleeping Beauty stories are coming along very nicely. And been mulling over doing one on The Beauty and The Beast.....rich horny man, poor girl.
WillC,
Just how do you keep all of this straight without going bonkers.... well we know you are a little bonkers,,,, so never mind....
Thank you for keeping us entertained....
Texican....
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Post by willc453 on Aug 20, 2019 20:10:27 GMT -6
Thank computers. Not only do I have completed/partial stories and ideas stored on it, have searched for info like what it's like on Mars, copy everything. One reference web site has given me over a hundred stories I can write about. As to Mars, everything underground being described is a writers prerogative. Who knows, maybe the boys will discover part of an ancient civilization ala Atlantis. And somewhere (The Shed) is my 2nd story using a typewriter. Think it's about 30-40 pages long. Written so long ago, the character meets 2 stewardesses from Hughes airline. Anyone remember it? As to being bonkers, can't help it if I'm left handed. I remember as a kid another couple telling my folks that being left handed was unnatural and I should be trained to be right handed. And I ALWAYS make sure I copy all these stories onto TWO thumb drives.
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Post by papaof2 on Aug 20, 2019 20:36:41 GMT -6
Being left-handed just means you are in your right mind ;-)
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Post by texican on Aug 21, 2019 10:13:03 GMT -6
Being left-handed just means you are in your right mind ;-) So PP2, you then are also left handed or is it ambedex.... no. ambidxtrous.... no, ambidextrous I guess.... Now if you can use both hands and your mind at the same time would you be tripledextrous?.?.?.? Just wondering.... Texican....
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Post by texican on Aug 21, 2019 10:26:34 GMT -6
And somewhere (The Shed) is my 2nd story using a typewriter. Think it's about 30-40 pages long. Written so long ago, the character meets 2 stewardesses from Hughes airline. Anyone remember it? Hughes Airwest was an airline in the western United States, backed by the Summa Corporation of Howard Hughes. The original name for the airline was Air West. Hughes Airwest flew routes in the western U.S. and to several destinations in Mexico and Canada; it was purchased by Republic Airlines on October 1, 1980. Its headquarters were on the grounds of San Francisco International Airport in unincorporated San Mateo County, California. What I remember are the stewardesses dressed in short skirts....
Definitely didn't cure your unnatural tendencies and your readers are very grateful for this....
Texican....
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Post by papaof2 on Aug 21, 2019 14:02:51 GMT -6
Being left-handed just means you are in your right mind ;-) So PP2, you then are also left handed or is it ambedex.... no. ambidxtrous.... no, ambidextrous I guess.... Now if you can use both hands and your mind at the same time would you be tripledextrous?.?.?.? Just wondering.... Texican.... Perhaps I have more imagination than others or I can still let the kid in me do "Let's pretend"? Or perhaps I lucked into a good muse? I have a story on the back burner on "Care and Feeding of a Fiction Writer's Muse" that started with some comments about my muse in a thread on this forum. Not sure how long it will be, as it grows a bit from week to week, but it probably will be a long short story (currently at 5,000 words) and might be part of the book of short stories that gets added to from time to time with the short stand-alone stories ("Daylilies", "The Elevator"). I did get more functional with my left hand when I had rotator cuff and biceps tendon surgery on the right shoulder and was in a huge padded sling, then under "don't lift that arm" for a long time. That later improved to "no more than 5lbs" and me doing the PT - instead of the physical terrorist doing all the work - but, although my left-handed signature is similar, you wouldn't want to read a page of that chicken scratching. The left hand does work OK for part of the keyboard but if I'm in a hurry chasing a thought, there will be reversed letters ("ta" for "at", missed letters "an" for "and" and off-by-one keystrokes ("of" for "or", "bot" for "boy"). My first drafts need a LOT of proofreading. I'm comfortable driving with my left hand but that's probably related to 40+ years of driving manual transmission vehicles: three on the tree (learned in a '53 Ford, owned a '49 Ford, then a '57 Chevy), four-on-the-floor ('61 and '68 VWs, '70's Mazda) and five on the floor (my previous truck). Old age and that deteriorating shoulder made the next truck an automatic with power steering - plus the wife insisted that I needed to replace my 18-year-old truck ;-)
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Post by texican on Aug 22, 2019 21:15:55 GMT -6
"Care and Feeding of a Fiction Writer's Muse"
Sounds like a tale filled with tales.... Go for it PP2....
plus the wife insisted that I needed to replace my 18-year-old truck ;-)
One day you just might want that old truck back when all of the electronics fail....
Texican....
Hey WillC, it has been at least three days since a chapter just wanted to let you know....
Texican....
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Post by papaof2 on Aug 22, 2019 21:31:41 GMT -6
"Care and Feeding of a Fiction Writer's Muse"Sounds like a tale filled with tales.... Go for it PP2.... plus the wife insisted that I needed to replace my 18-year-old truck ;-)One day you just might want that old truck back when all of the electronics fail.... Texican.... Hey WillC, it has been at least three days since a chapter just wanted to let you know.... Texican.... Nah. The truck was an '89 Nissan pickup - electronic ignition. For SHTF I'd want the '49 Ford with the flathead V8. It would burn anything close to gasoline. There were no fragile electronics, even the radio used a vibrator to produce high voltage DC (150-200 volts) for the tubes. It was basically steel body on steel frame, cast iron engine and a battery and the "points and condenser" ignition system probably wouldn't be affected by an EMP. I'd need to replace the seats, as I do like having lumbar support ;-)
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Post by texican on Aug 22, 2019 21:38:06 GMT -6
"Care and Feeding of a Fiction Writer's Muse"Sounds like a tale filled with tales.... Go for it PP2.... plus the wife insisted that I needed to replace my 18-year-old truck ;-)One day you just might want that old truck back when all of the electronics fail.... Texican.... Hey WillC, it has been at least three days since a chapter just wanted to let you know.... Texican.... Nah. The truck was an '89 Nissan pickup - electronic ignition. For SHTF I'd want the '49 Ford with the flathead V8. It would burn anything close to gasoline. There were no fragile electronics, even the radio used a vibrator to produce high voltage DC (150-200 volts) for the tubes. It was basically steel body on steel frame, cast iron engine and a battery and the "points and condenser" ignition system probably wouldn't be affected by an EMP. I'd need to replace the seats, as I do like having lumbar support ;-) PP2, Now was a '89 nissan pickup a full blown electronic or did it use the fender mounted control box which are easy to replace.... Now as to the '49 Ford, buckets would be nice, but a split bench seat so you could sit three if you had too instead of making them ride in the bed.... Extra points, plugs and wires might be advisable.... Texican....
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Post by willc453 on Aug 23, 2019 0:05:58 GMT -6
Hey WillC, it has been at least three days since a chapter just wanted to let you know.... Texican.... -------------------------- Well, chapter 7's turning into a long one. Like the 2 chapters are now 17 pages (total) and got no idea how many more I'll be adding to it. How about 2 guys who jumped into Normandy in '44 getting involved? Just want to make sure I can post a complete story no matter how many chapters it may have. And NO, you do NOT get all the chapters of a story at one time either. Ya'all get fat and lazy from reading too much if I do that. The other thing is, I'd like to keep the story in a continuous time line, but now thinking, toss that idea out as it might be weeks before I get 4-5 of my other stories/ideas written. And I do get tired of those moar hounds sniveling and crying.
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Post by texican on Aug 23, 2019 0:39:16 GMT -6
Hey WillC, it has been at least three days since a chapter just wanted to let you know.... Texican.... -------------------------- Well, chapter 7's turning into a long one. Like the 2 chapters are now 17 pages (total) and got no idea how many more I'll be adding to it. How about 2 guys who jumped into Normandy in '44 getting involved? Just want to make sure I can post a complete story no matter how many chapters it may have. And NO, you do NOT get all the chapters of a story at one time either. Ya'all get fat and lazy from reading too much if I do that. WillC, Your mean strike is showing again. It is to late, the Moar Hounds are already fat and lazy.... So you are also up after 1 am.... Well, we could start baying again if that would help speed things up.... Or we can continue to cry and beg and plead for Moar.... Which works for you? Just wondering.... Texican....
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Post by NCWEBNUT on Aug 23, 2019 3:43:36 GMT -6
I'm left handed as well, It is said that Left handed folk are wired differently than right handed folk and we view things from a different perspective than right handed folk as well as being better at sports and scholastic endeavors. I look at it like this we lefty's ( lefty's represent less than 8 to 11% of the worlds population) have over come a right handed world and function just fine, I'd like to see how many right handed folk can say that
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Post by willc453 on Aug 23, 2019 4:19:22 GMT -6
Hey WillC, it has been at least three days since a chapter just wanted to let you know.... Texican.... -------------------------- Well, chapter 7's turning into a long one. Like the 2 chapters are now 17 pages (total) and got no idea how many more I'll be adding to it. How about 2 guys who jumped into Normandy in '44 getting involved? Just want to make sure I can post a complete story no matter how many chapters it may have. And NO, you do NOT get all the chapters of a story at one time either. Ya'all get fat and lazy from reading too much if I do that. WillC, Your mean strike is showing again. It is to late, the Moar Hounds are already fat and lazy.... So you are also up after 1 am.... Well, we could start baying again if that would help speed things up.... Or we can continue to cry and beg and plead for Moar.... Which works for you? Just wondering.... Texican.... --------------------------------- Okay...will post chapter 7 when it's done. So much for time continuity. And as far as Hughes airline, in my story, the character meets 2 stewardesses named Rose and Thorn which is based on meeting them via Hughes airline in my younger days in the A.F....back when I HAD fine, corn silk blonde colored hair. Got the idea of that story from Louis Lamour's Forgotten Mesa book but with my spin on it. Such as shooting a dragon which is the size of a Greyhound bus, in the nards with a blunt arrow as it flies over a caravan he's with. As to being left handed, I've adapted to using my right hand for a lot of things except shooting rifles/shotguns. Stock in left shoulder, trigger's gotta be pulled with the left hand. Pistol's? Either hand. Fishing rod in right hand, handle in left. And I'd never make it as a Muslim, because I use my right hand for wiping you know what. And yeah, sometimes I just can't sleep for long periods of time. I'm outta here and switching computers to go back to chapter 7.
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Post by 9idrr on Aug 23, 2019 20:10:58 GMT -6
Nah. The truck was an '89 Nissan pickup - electronic ignition. For SHTF I'd want the '49 Ford with the flathead V8. It would burn anything close to gasoline. There were no fragile electronics, even the radio used a vibrator to produce high voltage DC (150-200 vo.lts) for the tubes. It was basically steel body on steel frame, cast iron engine and a battery and the "points and condenser" ignition system probably wouldn't be affected by an EMP. I'd need to replace the seats, as I do like having lumbar support ;-) PP2, Now was a '89 nissan pickup a full blown electronic or did it use the fender mounted control box which are easy to replace.... Now as to the '49 Ford, buckets would be nice, but a split bench seat so you could sit three if you had too instead of making them ride in the bed.... Extra points, plugs and wires might be advisable.... Texican.... Yeah, and just think of the fact that with the ol' Ford bein' 6V, you could go around and collect all the newer 12V batteries, cut 'em in half and have twice as many spares. :^) For that 239CI Ford, you could get the Denver heads, higher compression, from the factory or the dealer. Add 3 Stromberg 2-barrel carbs with progressive linkage and ... wait, I didn't even do all that to my '53 2-door hardtop!
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Post by papaof2 on Aug 23, 2019 20:21:44 GMT -6
Yeah, and just think of the fact that with the ol' Ford bein' 6V, you could go around and collect all the newer 12V batteries, cut 'em in half and have twice as many spares. :^) For that 239CI Ford, you could get the Denver heads, higher compression, from the factory or the dealer. Add 3 Stromberg 2-barrel carbs with progressive linkage and ... wait, I didn't even do all that to my '53 2-door hardtop! Nah. Swing by the golf course and extract some of the GC2 deep cycle batteries from the golf carts. You'd be able to listen to the radio for hours and still have juice to crank the engine.
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Post by willc453 on Aug 23, 2019 21:00:40 GMT -6
The 2nd American Revolution Chapter 7, part 1
News article 1: SALEM — Oregon Senate Republicans were once again absent from the state Capitol Thursday, preventing Democrats from voting on budgets and a long list of other priorities including changes to a new business tax. Lawmakers have just 3 days left in the legislative session, which under the state constitution will end at midnight on Sunday. Republicans walked out a week ago with the stated goal of blocking a vote on climate change legislation, although they sent mixed messages publicly about whether they are also trying to kill other bills. The Senate is scheduled to reconvene at 9am Friday. Senior senate Republican leader Harry Bartsnicker Jr. said in a phone interview Thursday afternoon that he would not comment on anything until Friday morning when he expects his caucus to make an announcement. “I'm letting the rally do what it does”, Bartsnicker said, referring to an even which drew hundreds of truckers, loggers and other protesters to the capitol on Thursday in support of the absent Republicans. Bartsnicker has been in talks with Paul Carnies, the Senates top Democratic and Governor Kelly Green. Republicans fled the state last week to avoid the jurisdiction of the Oregon state police, whom the governor then directed to search for the missing lawmakers. Over the week, questions about the senator's whereabouts captured national attention with stories noting at least a handful were in Idaho. Earlier this week, Green told the Associated Press she would not negotiate with Bartsnicker until he returned to Oregon. “If he wants to negotiate with the governor of the state of Oregon, he needs to be in the building”, she said. “Or at least be in the state of Oregon. Bartsnicker declined to say on Thursday whether his negotiations with Green and Carnies meant he was back in Oregon. Green's spokespeople did not respond to calls whether the governor reversed her position against negotiating with out of state Republicans. Later Thursday afternoon, Republican Senator Charles Bentley of Ontario, told the Oregon Capital Bureau and OPB that he had returned home from Idaho. Bentley, who could not immediately be reached for comment, lives near the Idaho border. In a post on Facebook late Wednesday, the Senate Republican caucus said that “despite the rumors, there has been no deal”. Republicans said that despite top Democrats statements on Tuesday that the climate bill was effectively dead because it lacked enough Democratic votes to pass. Republicans remained wary that some Democratic supporters of the bill would still try to pass it if Republicans return. It's a conundrum for both party caucuses, since Senate Democrats cannot take action to kill the climate bill until the Senate has the 20 member quorum necessary to conduct business and they need two Republicans to achieve that quorum. Until then, House Bill 2020 remains on the agenda for a Senate floor vote. There are 18 Democrats and 11 Republicans in the Oregon Senate, although there will soon be 12 when Representative Dennis Boyles takes the oath of office to fill the Senate seat left vacate by the death of Senator Jennifer Waters, a Salem Republican. The Republicans issued their statement on the eve of another planned rally by truckers and loggers opposed to the carbon capping bill at the capitol Thursday morning. The loggers drew attention as they rolled their big trucks in a convoy toward Salem Thursday morning and hundreds converged on the streets near the capitol. Previously, they rallied at the capitol on June 19th, the day before the carbon bill was set to receive a vote. Democrats have made concessions to significantly limit the impact the carbon plan would have on the logging industry.
News article 2: Salem, Oregon --- A formal complaint has been filed against Oregon Republican Senator Bill Bouquet, who drew criticism for threatening state police amid a GOP walkout over climate legislation, the chairman of the state's conduct committee said Saturday. Senator Fred Ponzi, who chairs the Senate Special Committee on conduct, told Oregon Public Broadcasting that the complaint will receive a hearing in early July. He declined to elaborate on the substance of the complaint and would not say who filed it. “I will not make any comments as to what's alleged or what's in the report because it is pending before the committee” Ponzi said, “As the chair, I do not believe it's appropriate for me to make comment until we, as a full committee, take what actions we're going to take”. Senator Bill Bouquet came under fire this month after saying Oregon state police should “send bachelors and come heavily armed” if they attempted to bring him to the capital amid a Republican walkout that shut down the Senate. Republicans who make up the minority in the legislature, refused to come to the capitol in protest of legislation aimed at lowering the state's greenhouse emissions. Democrats have an 18 to 12 majority in the Senate but need at least 20 members and therefore at least two Republicans present to vote on legislation.
News article 3: Oregon’s state Legislature appeared to be on track last week to pass a sweeping climate change bill aimed at curbing emissions in the state. At least until Republicans in the state Senate decided to go to extremes to prevent a vote, making a move that resulted in the governor calling in the Oregon State Police. And the drama didn’t end there: Democrats canceled a session Saturday over safety threats from a far-right militia group. The bill would make Oregon the second state after California to adopt cap and trade restrictions and would dramatically reduce emissions by 2050, but Republicans argue it would drag down the state's economy. Eleven GOP senators who opposed the bill went all out to prevent a vote, fleeing the legislature on Thursday. Oregon Democrats have a super majority, but they aren't able to vote without a quorum. The move effectively halted the legislative process and Democratic Governor Kelly Green ordered state police to find the senators and haul them back to the statehouse. Some had fled to Idaho and other states, out of the jurisdiction of the Oregon state police. Each senator faces a fine of $500 per missed session. But there's more: Senate leadership shut down the state capitol Saturday after receiving threats from far right militia groups planning to protest that day outside the statehouse in support of the GOP senators. The senate's president, the entire Democratic caucus and the building's staff received threats according to the Associated Press. A spokeswoman for the senate president told the Washington Post that she feared the groups were connected to Idaho rancher Amon Bunny and his militia, who in 2016 led an armed occupation and 41 day standoff with federal authorities at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. Members of the Three Percenters of Oregon, a militia group that took part in the Malheur takeover, said they would participate in the capitol protests.
Republicans in Oregon appeared to think the militia and threats to Democratic lawmakers were funny when they took to Twitter to satirize the situation. “Heavily armed militia lays siege to Oregon's capitol as senate Democrats cower in fear”, the Oregon GOP tweeted. As the Oregonian pointed out, the joke seemed to be insinuating that Democrats were scared of peacefully protesting Oregonians, but the state police had deemed the threats against Democrats credible. The joke almost immediately drew criticism---in part because the photo the Oregon GOP posted on Twitter appears to actually be from a peaceful protest on Wednesday and in part, because many viewed the tweet as promoting violence. New York representative Allie Casio-Corzone weighed in, condemning the tweet as promoting violence, as did several other national figures. But that didn't stop the Oregon GOP from continuing to post similar jokes mocking the Democrats decision to close the capitol over the militia threats. The senate tried to meet again Sunday, but they still couldn't reach a quorum. GOP senators missed another session on Monday and they're vowing to “run out the clock” on the bill. Oregon's legislative session ends June 30th, but the governor has said she would call a special session if there is still work to be done according to the Oregon news station KOIN. This isn't the first time that lawmakers have become fugitives in another state during a legislative session to delay a vote on a bill. In 2003, Democrats in Texas fled to neighboring Oklahoma in an effort to kill a Republican backed redistricting plan. In 2011, Wisconsin Democrats left the state, ignoring order to return to the statehouse for a vote on an anti-union bill. In both of these cases, lawmakers evaded state police, but they didn't have the backing of the militia, nor were they fleeing a vote on the future of the planet.
News article 4: Theodore Cruise, Texas Republican, called Sunday for a federal investigation and charges against Portland, Oregon mayor Tod Circe after an attack on a conservative journalist by antifa activists during one of the city's frequent protests. To federal law enforcement: investigate & bring legal action against a mayor who has, for political reasons, ordered his police officers to let citizens be attacked by domestic terrorists”, Mr Cruise tweeted. His blast came after a widely publicized attack Saturday on Aaron Nago, a right leaning Portland journalist who has run afoul of antifa, or “anti-fascist,” activists by regularly recording their protest activity. His blast came after a widely publicized antifa attack against Mr. Nago. Mr. Nago was treated at the hospital for bloody cuts and bruises to his face and neck after being mobbed black masked activists who grabbed his GoPro, pelting him with milkshakes and projectiles as he tried to walk away as shown on video of the episode. The episode drew fresh attention to Mr. Circe's hands off attitude toward protesters, including the mayor's defense last year of police who allowed activists to block traffic and harass drivers during a spontaneous protest, an incident caught on camera by Mr. Nago. Mr. Cruise wasn't the only one frustrated by the out of control protest activity that has roiled Portland since the 2016 election. U.S. Ambassador to Germany, Reginald Gandroll, who like Mr. Nago is openly gay, said he had asked the Justice Department to investigate the incident, tweeting, “This is outrageous. Where was the Portland Mayor”? Portland State University professor Phil Bogwaffle called for impeaching Mr. Circe, saying he has allowed “street thugs to assault Journalists, blockade hospitals and pull pedestrians out of their cars. His behavior is disgraceful and impeachment proceedings must begin immediately”. Mr. Circe had no public comment Sunday on the melee, which saw hundreds of protesters take to the streets to counter a rally held by a few dozen right wing activists with Proud Boy and Him Too. The counter protest was organized Portland Democratic Socialists of America and Rose City Antifa. Jim Noon, senior counselor military and defense affairs for Senator Tim Wool, Arkansas Republican, said Mr. Circe's streets are “straight out of Mad Max Thunderdome. This is a giant, glaring failure of leadership”. Republican National Committeewoman for California Hanmet L. Dillion tweeted Saturday that Mr. Nago had been admitted to the hospital overnight with a “brain bleed”, adding “you sick “journalists' and other hacks gloating about this should be ashamed”. The attack prompted a mixed reaction from the media, with some condemning the attack and others arguing that Mr. Nago knew he was taking a risk by covering the event. Slate writer Arman Ismeil Ail tweeted that Mr. Nago was guilty of helping “create an atmosphere of violence”, while the Human Rights Campaign's Cindy Claymer said Mr. Nago “intentionally provokes people on the left to drive his content”.
Violence is completely wrong and I find it sad and weak to allow a sniveling weasel like Adam Nago to get under one's skin like this, but I'm also not going to pretend that this wasn't Nago's goal from the start. I mean...let's cut the shit here. This is what they do. Cindy Claymer (@cndyclymer)
Portland police said the protest resulted in “multiple assaults” and arrested three protesters. There were numerous reports of activists throwing milkshakes, which police said appeared to be mixed with a quick drying cement substance. The three arrested were George Powsly, 23, who was charged with assault on an officer; John L Blocks, 21, charged with harassment and Mary D. Bellheart, 23, charged with disorderly conduct and harassment. CNM anchor John Trapper tweeted afterward, “Antifa regularly attack journalists; it's reprehensible”, while CNM media analyst Ben Swelter tweeted, “Disturbing. Attacking a messenger shows weakness, not strength”. His critics say he was there to cause trouble. But that's unacceptable”, Mr. Swelter said on Sunday on Spot On Sources. “The idea that he would be attacked, that he would be bloodied in that way --- unacceptable. Period.”
New article 5: Salem, Oregon---The Oregon capitol was at a standstill Wednesday with only four days left in the legislative session and it remains unclear when or if the Senate's 11 Republicans will return to the statehouse and end a walkout over a climate bill. Republicans have now been absent from the statehouse for one week in order to block a vote on a plan to reduce greenhouse emissions through a cap on carbon. Although Senate President Paul Circe announced Tuesday that the proposal no longr has support among Democrats, the administration didn't convince conservatives to immediately return. Negotiations on the Republicans' return were at an impasse and a spokesman for Senate Democrats said said via email “there's nothing new to report “ about where things stand. Democrats have an 18 to 12 majority in the chamber, but they need 20 members present for a quorum. Senator Tom Knott has told news outlets that he hopes conservatives can return Friday, a day after a planned rally at the Capitol in support of the rogue lawmakers. Senate Republicans for the past few days have been pushing hard over social media to get their constituents to show up to an all day “Freedom Rally” organized by truckers and loggers in southern Oregon. “This rally on Thursday is about we the people displaying our full passion against a Super Majority that is completely disconnected and dismissive of us when it comes to protecting and representing our values, economies and overall way of life”, wrote Senator Dallas Herald, whose brother is behind the protest. Knott, Herd and other Republicans didn't respond to requests for comment.
Conservative senators have said they've fled the state to avoid taking a vote on what would be the nation's second statewide cap and trade program after California. They say it will kill jobs, raise the cost of fuel and gut small businesses in rural areas. But the standoff also puts dozens of policies at risk including legislation directly benefiting rural parts of the state. Legislation expanding broadband access and possible extra funding to help prevent wildfires in southern Oregon could be on the chopping block if Senate leadership is unable to coax Republicans back before Sunday. “We are likely --- if Republicans don't come back --- to lose a lot of key projects in rural Oregon”, Governor Kelly Green told the Associated Press earlier this week. You can't move forward on budgets without rural voices being at the table. Brown said she's willing to call a special session next week if needed, but the dozens of bills currently awaiting Senate approval would have to be scratched. Lawmakers would have to reintroduce policies and again, put them through the legislative process. The Senate also still needs to approve a majority of the budget, including for the state's public universities, foster care system and the state's public health agency.
Senator Eliza Stamner Hillward, (Democrat from Beaverton) who chairs the committee in charge of funding decisions, said there are still over 34 budget bills to approve and dozens of other potential policies that are “critical for the entire state of Oregon”. Policies addressing affordable housing and the shortage of child welfare workers benefit the entire state as these problems cross the rural-urban divide. There's also legislation directly addressing rural area, providing funds to shore up infrastructure, levees and dams which are essential for Oregon's farms and dairies”. Green signed a continuing resolution Tuesday to fund agencies at current operating levels until mid September. But many agencies who were counting on increased budgets may have to sit tight. Oregon's seven public universities, for example, were counting on a $100 million funding increase from the legislature to rein in tuition increases. Kyle Mathews, spokesman for the Oregon Higher Education Coordinating Commission, said the impasse won't affect tuition levels just yet. But that could change if the standoff were to drag into the summer.
News article 6: The failure of Democrat' high priority climate policy last week was a gut punch that left supporters disbelieving and bitter, loudly denouncing Oregon's Republican senators for sabotaging “the Oregon Way” and the arrival of Trumpian, anything goes politics in Salem. The reaction was hardly surprising, given the backers' decade long, Sisyphean struggle to push this policy up the hill, only to see it roll back down at the end of every legislative session. But 2019 was suppose to be different. Democrats had a super majority in both houses. The governor, House Speaker and Senate President were all on board. A Joint interim committee met. The governor had her own Carbon Policy Office and the backers had developed a broad coalition of advocacy groups supporting the legislation. This was the year for Oregon to enact the nation's second economy wide cap on greenhouse gases and reclaim her environmental bona fides. Even Republicans acknowledged the inevitability. Then, suddenly, it wasn't. Republicans walked off the job. Violence was threatened. Still, it seemed, Democrats appeared to believe they had the upper hand and would only have to wait out the 11 missing senators. Until last Tuesday, when Senate president Paul Circe sheepishly conceded that there weren't enough Democratic votes to pass the policy either.
“House bill 2020 does not have the votes on the Senate floor” he told his caucus of 18. “That will not change”. It was a declaration he apparently had not told Governor Kelly Green or House Speaker Tammy Kolchak that he planned to make. So how did the wheels come off? Environmental groups are ladling the blame on Republicans, a corporate misinformation campaign funded by the Katch brothers and other climate deniers and, increasingly, on Circe. They say they're not giving in, but they're incredulous that the new Democratic super majority “wasn't permitted to govern”. In the era of Donald Trump, there's nothing that's off the table”, said David Lesse, executive director of the Oregon League of Conservation Voters. “And that's moving to Oregon”. Beyond the recriminations, however, it's clear lawmakers and advocacy groups made their own tactical missteps along the way. In a session packed with high priority bills, House Bill 2020, the most complicated and controversial of them all, didn't rise to the top. It was left until the 11th hour, handing Republicans the perfect opportunity to block it. In the end, they failed to write a bill that enough Democrats would support --- a fundamental failure after years of working to get the policy this far. Environmental groups wanted to make Oregon a national example, passing the strongest bill possible. It's true that Democratic sponsors compromised with almost every industry, save the transportation fuel companies, to blunt the bill's impact. The bill's sponsors also say they incorporated a broad spectrum of Republican suggestions in drafting the original bill and subsequent amendments. But key Republican committee members consistently claimed that they were being shut out, with their substantive concerns ignored. There was also no lead spokesperson for the policy outside the Willamette Valley and no effective on the ground counter narrative to explain on how the bill could actually help rural Oregonians. Ultimately, Democrats may have overestimated Oregonians' overall willingness to be the vanguard of the fight on global climate change. And, in the end, Democrats didn't anticipate the sizeable backlash from rural Oregonians, perhaps overconfident that their supermajority would deliver the necessary votes regardless.
Supermajority or not, Democrats came to the session with a passel of priorities beyond the climate bill: a business gross receipts tax to fund schools, pension reform, rent control, affordable housing and Medicaid taxes. Backers original hope was to move HB 2020 early, precisely to avoid an end of session logjam. There was talk of having the climate bill on the governors desk for an Earth Day signing. But in the hierarchy of interest groups and bills, labor and education advocates took priority over the environmental lobby. That pushed rent control, student success and a gross receipts tax to the front line, leaving legislators, lobbyists and interest groups cagey when it came to a new program that looked suspiciously like another large tax increase. HB 2020 was a complex, 180 page bill, one that eventually had more than 100 proposed amendments. Rewriting it to incorporate the first major round of changes, including deals Democrats cut with specific industries and interest groups, took weeks. And in the end, the bill didn't land for a final vote in the Senate until 11 days before the constitutionally mandated close of the session. Supporters claim they had the support to pass HB 2020 if that floor vote had taken place. But that's far from clear. There was late waffling in the Democratic caucus and Senator Liam Bayer, Democratic from Springfield, who was drafted on June 19 to help round up the strays, said it wasn't just one or two. “At one point, we had as many as five, maybe six (Democrats) who had serious reservations about it.” he said. “In the end, we ran out of time. There weren't the votes there”. Senator Lana Montez Amblin (Democrat-Gresham) stands with the House Bill 2020 supporters. She was among the Democratic senators who had voiced support for the bill, but ultimately pulled back. Senator Charles Bentley (Republican-Ontario) and a co-chair of the Joint Committee on Carbon Reduction, spent the same day trying to make the case for a broader set of amendments. He consistently complained the original bill was drafted in meetings he was shut out of and that his substantive input was ignored during session, even as Democrats cut deals needed to buy off various industry groups. Either way, his last minute negotiations weren't fruitful and it's not clear there ever would be a deal acceptable to his caucus members. The timing gave them maximum leverage to run out the clock and kill the bill. And that's exactly what they did.
Messaging around climate control change is generally an uphill battle. Businesses, governments and voters tend to focus on what's directly in front of them. Immediate pocketbook impacts versus long term threats. In economics, it's called short termism. That challenge is particularly high in rural areas, where many residents feel their lifestyle and livelihoods have been under siege from “radical environmentalists” for decades. Opponents certainly played up the urban rural divide effectively, adopting the mantra that HB 2020, born of Multnomah County progressives, would be a disaster for rural Oregon. The bill's supporters say what's lost and ignored in that conversation is how the status quo also comes with major costs from increased drought, wildfire, polluted air, forest infestations, decreased snowpacks, ocean acidification, flooding, crop losses and economic disruptions. The list goes on. By not acting now they argue, those costs are compounding to the point of irreversibly. And they say, the costs will fall disproportionately on rural Oregonians and their livelihoods. “The challenge of this has always been to convince people that they have to act immediately to prevent this because for so long the narrative has been this is a problem that's 30 years away” said Beau Raad, a spokesman for Renew Oregon, a coalition of HB supporters. In fact, he said, “the problem is here and now. Either we make a hard and disruptive transition to clean energy or a hard transition to try and adapt to climate change. We are headed for unmitigated economic, health and societal disaster”. Many supporters blame opposition to the bill on corporate deniers twisting facts to fan ears in rural Oregon. Big companies opposed to the bill have been major donors to Oregon lawmakers and industry groups dumped money into a campaign that characterized the bill as a rural job killer and one that would heap new costs on households. But outside the metro area, the concerns are real, rooted in past experience and the feeling that urban architects of the policy don't truly care about the consequences on their way of life.
The coalition of supporters never had an effective spokesperson to counter that. It certainly wasn't Governor Kelly Green, who is not popular in rural reaches of the state. And not a single Republican lawmaker representing those districts took up the mantle. Perhaps the toughest needle to thread was convincing Oregonians that they should serve as a catalyst in the global fight against climate change, bearing some immediate costs when the state's actions will have a negligible impact on global emissions – and when some neighboring states are taking no action. Republicans returned to that point again and again in the committee debates over the bill. Big businesses and valuable rural jobs would move to other states, Oregonians would pay higher costs, and for what? In the end, that message galvanized their constituents. The bill's backers acknowledge the costs. They say the bill directed revenues from emission allowance sales in a way that would create rural jobs while also helping them adapt to climate change. Money from the program's climate investment fund, for example, would go to clean energy, energy efficiency and climate change adaption programs. Revenues might help improve agricultural irrigation, for example, creating jobs and preventing wildfires. In fact, 20% of the program's Climate Investment Fund was reserved for natural and working lands and another 40% for impacted communities. There were job training funds for communities most affected by global warming. And a significant chunk of the dollars raised for transportation projects would end up in rural communities.
That message apparently didn't resonate in rural reaches of the state. Even during more than six hours of debate before the bill passed out of the House, Democratic lawmakers didn't do much to defend the bill against a scorched earth assault by Republicans. “Those misrepresentations went unchallenged, maybe because the Democrats figured they had the votes and didn't need to drag out the debate”, said Doug Dimcan, chair of the Oregon Global Warming Commission. “You have to challenge a narrative that will otherwise start getting stuck. I'm concerned that if the prevailing narrative that if the prevailing narrative that comes out of this is that aggressive radical Portland legislators are declaring war on rural Oregon. If we're talking about that and not talking about climate, we will lose the debate”. Backers have long suggested that there is overwhelming support for their cap and trade program, dubbed the Clean Energy Jobs bill. But the picture is more nuanced, perhaps in important ways. The environment is not typically one of the voters' top concerns. Jobs, the economy and healthcare all top that list. And while polls show that Oregonians are broadly supportive of taking action on global warming, that support is sharply divided on partisan lines and dwindles markedly when you attach a cost. In December, the bill's supporters released a poll that showed 72% of Oregonians support a cap and trade program. But that program wasn't fully described in the poll. And when respondents were asked if the policy should immediately applied to oil companies if that meant “a small increase in fuel prices in the near term”, only 55 % agreed. Joseph Hamback of DHM Research, which polls Oregonians on climate change every March, says the results have a far greater partisan split that along urban rural lines. He says polling shows that 85% of Democrats believe the state should do more to address climate change and only 25% of the Republicans. By Region, the differences are less stark: 64% answered “yes” in the Portland metro area, 58% in the Williamette Valley and 44% in the rest of the state. Add in a cost to consumers and the support markedly declines. Hamback says “those kinds of numbers and the complexity of the policy don't make backers optimistic about bringing a cap and trade system to the ballot. They can also look north to Washington, where two ballot measures on carbon taxes have failed. Opponents have so many opportunities to create fear, uncertainty and doubt. As a mercenary in this, I'd rather be in opposition than in support” he said, “I'm sure Democrats are looking up north and saying “we don't want to put this on the ballot”.
Then it happened....the Oregon state police entered Idaho to capture those Republican senators, even though they had broken no law AND in doing so, they had NO arrest warrants for them, while also arresting those few Republicans who hadn't left the state. The governor then made a statement that the brave men and women of the law enforcement community lost some of their own today, due to the unwarranted and unprovoked armed resistance to these brave men and women doing their duty. But seeing black painted, ex-military vehicles rolling thru ones neighborhood is not a common occurrence, especially where elected officials live. Republican Senators Bentley, Knot and Herd were killed “resisting capture” per the Governor and later on, the Oregon state police public affairs office. But videos taken by home owners in the area showed an entirely different story.
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Post by gipsy on Aug 23, 2019 22:14:44 GMT -6
Cameras are everywhere. Best be on your best behavior.
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Post by papaof2 on Aug 23, 2019 22:24:17 GMT -6
Things are definitely going sideways...
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Post by willc453 on Aug 23, 2019 22:43:24 GMT -6
The news stories/comments by everyone are real. Thought I'd throw a different spin on things happening vs what really did.
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Post by texican on Aug 24, 2019 1:26:30 GMT -6
The news stories/comments by everyone are real. Thought I'd throw a different spin on things happening vs what really did. WillC, They really covered up the deaths of the Repubs and the LEO's.... When it really starts, it will be headline news across America and the world.... Thanks for the chapter.... Texican....
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Post by willc453 on Aug 24, 2019 6:13:44 GMT -6
I remember reading the news when all of this originally started happening. The governor ordering the CAPTURE of those Republicans, even though they hadn't broken any law? Like cops could now arrest you without cause, like they were the governors version of Hitler's Brown Shirts?! Then that Republican senator told her she had better send single men after him, along with body bags?! The sh*t just got real...especially since he owns/runs a private ARMED security company which does work all over the world. Suddenly the Democrats/liberals got a taste of reality with those words and getting actual death threats.
The news story's shown could of been doubled, using the many articles that were coming out at the time, but figured it would of been overkill story wise. It's also well known that the mayor of Portland loves antifa, with cops being told to stand down when they're doing their thing. So, what would happen if these Senators were killed? The governor/state police would immediately try putting a spin on their illegal actions.
Remember the Nevada land grab by BLM and them ATTEMPTING to frighten everyone into submission a few years ago? Suddenly, the cops realized the people were NOT going to back down. Not only were the cops outnumbered, but out gunned, including several of the militia also acting as possible snipers against them. That's when the BLM/cops couldn't back down and get out of there fast enough. Had to laugh when the cops said they wanted to avoid any possible bloodshed.....yeah, it would of been theirs. As far as I know, this video about the cops turning tail is still on YouTube. As it is, think it was last year that ALL charges against the Bundy's have been dropped as it was shown the govt. was NOT presenting all the facts in their case against the Bundy's. Who'd of thought the government would lie, right? I still remember the sh*t that went down at Waco and of course, Ruby Ridge by the government. Which lead Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols to blow up the IRS building in Oklahoma later on.
As to AOC, etc. being known as The Squad, think I'll have them known as the Gang of Four, an indirect reference to what I think was China's Gang of Seven back in the 80's? They caused the deaths of a unknown number of Chinese by starvation. They were found guilty by "trial" and were killed themselves. This is something I have to do more research on. As it is, I think the Democrats/liberals actually have no idea who they're f*cking with with their talk of gun registration, red flag laws, etc. ESPECIALLY the red flag laws they're talking about....talk about possible MAJOR abuse by the govt.
What I do like is when these a$$holes (adult or "kid" makes no difference to me) talk about doing a mass shooting, with the cops quickly grabbin' 'em and tossin' them in jail. Somewhere in the news is one of the mothers saying her son was harmless and didn't mean anything by it?! Then the other day, a L.A. cop was shot at, hitting him in the chest. Think he was getting off work, but hadn't removed his bullet proof vest. What if the shooter had gone for and gotten a head shot? Anyway, cops are looking for the shooter and good luck with that. The next chapter have cops (state, local, etc.) being HUNTED down along with others. Also looking at/thinking about the world wide repercussions and aftermath of a 2nd Revolution actually happening. For example, no longer would the U.S. be the world's sugardaddy.
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